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THERE IS NO CORRECT PITCH ACCENT !HOW ARE THERE 47 ACCENTS

Neither of these statements is really correct. There are not 47 different pitch accent patterns (there are 47 prefectures of Japan, but they do not all have their own unique accent pattern), and each accent pattern is internally consistent. There is 'correct' and 'incorrect' pitch within each accent, even if that accent differs between East and West.

Overwhelmingly the accent you'll be exposed to through learning materials and in media will be consistent with Standard Japanese, and if you speak with a consistently standard pitch accent, you will be pronouncing words 'correctly' even if you're in an area that has a different accent. It's not really any different from how there are different English accents everywhere you go; if you randomly changed between Received Pronunciation, General American, South African, Caribbean, and Irish accents in English, you'd have a bizarre way of speaking and people would probably assume you don't know how to pronounce anything -- but if you spoke any one of them consistently and exclusively, you'd just sound like you were taught a specific accent.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, if the idea of pitch accent is overwhelming to you, or you can't hear or reproduce it in examples, or you just don't feel like memorizing it on top of everything else, it's completely optional to study. You can generally be understood fine even if you speak with totally made-up pitch. The consequence of ignoring pitch is that you will end up speaking with an incorrect accent and you will sound strange and foreign -- which you are, so having a foreign accent shouldn't be a big deal.

So good for japanese people😓 I think japanese is one of the most hardest languages on earth, I think...but these native speakers also make mistakes on pitch accents. And for the 'uwu' voice you said, it requires high vocals I think..I thought it was cringe😅

セ―ジ !!! Sorry, I JUST figued i out !!

I have this weird situation with my native language......

My native language actually uses GRAVE accent meaning I have to WRITE percisely where the stress is or I can do it different . . .Turned out it was more important where my tongue is in when speaking

And TOTALLY OTHER STUFF

*sigh* Not understandable so not nesessary for everyone... while it provides deeper understanding.

No little kid learns language like this now do they!?

I FOUND THIS GIRL ! She has a good video on Hiragana like I told you! Most of my issues were there.. (mouth and tongue placement, cuz not everyone teaches you that) Staring at her mouth is creepy, but totally helpful for me!

And if I write to mark the stress myself, makes it easier remembring instead of listening You can totally do that in the begining when learning a new word, if you take notes.

Seeji tell me if anything helped, I will keep trying. Untill we find a solution

Yea, we definitely studying Tokyo dialect. Overall expressing emotion. I doubt any Japanese person thinks in their head OH YEAH THIS IS A HIGH HIGH LOW or whatever. Would be insane.They just hear it and we DON'T ??

ALSO, I overdid it.. sorry not 47 accents. But 6 !? Actually, if spoken too fast Japanese sounds straight flat!! To be percise.. not flat, but ACCENTLESS.

I GOT THIS APP! It's called Aomi. You record your speech and get a diagram of your own voice and pitch:

[TELL ME IF YOU TRY IT] I'm still having problems with the "sudden change" in pitch as seen up in the diagram. Will update if I figure it out or find something useful. I don't reccomend studying the 4 patterns... Doesn't make it any easier. Learn your highs and lows.

[NOTE] LENGHT = STRESS. Automatically.

FORCE = RISE IN PITCH.

That's NATURAL CONSECUENCE. More force means more air escaping. Your vocal cords involuntary narrow and you start making unconscious effort to prevent too rapid air escaping. Result is: Raise in pitch + more force and loudness!

EMOTION = STRESS IN JAPANESE ! ! !

Ooh Yudai sensei!! His videos are sooo helpful! And YES! I also tried out the Aomi app — I didn’t buy the subscription but I liked playing around with it. Thanks for sharing 幸！

Did you manage to "fit" in the patterns ???

Yeah, Exactly

🌩セージ͎.𝓡_8̯̭̓̇͂卦掌天͓̽𝓚𝓪𝓲𝖙𝖊𝖓⚡ は 03月20日, 5:46に

I need to explore more 😭

Don't

Japanese is confusing

I accidently found this: Oops..

But it's really fun to watch !! He does look crazy