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I am so much suffering in learning pitch accents, are there any tricks any learning methods that maybe could help😭😢🥺😞😿.
Because I keep on doing the same mistakes and I feel like I am deliberately forcing these in my brain 😭😢😞😿

but what about those same words like hashi, hashi or kami, kami

Thats right, in the beginning you don't need to focus too much on pitch accent yet. However I think you could already learn just the very basics of the 4 pitch patterns (atamadaka, nakadaka, odaka, heiban). There are some vidéos about it on YouTube and multiple websites that explains it. And then, when you are learning terms, you can try to pronounce them with the right pitch accent so it will stick into your head (I'm doing this and it works pretty well). But you should be aware that pitch accent in a full sentence differs from the pitch accent of a single word (There are also a few yt videos about it).

On top of this you can do shadowing. You watch a video in japanese and at the same time you repeat what they say without pausing it. But in order to do this properly, your ear has to get used to hearing the pitch accent

And by shadowing you can also improve your intonation, but pitch accent and intonation are two different things.

Anyways you shouldn't worry too much about it yet. I learned about pitch accent pretty late and until then my pronunciation was poop, but it improved a lot since then!

Keep in mind English is STRESS, while Japanese is PITCH Accent.. Start from there. Check if your old habits are getting in the way. I highly reccomend going through your Hiraganas\Katakanas. Sometimes the inability to pronounce a certain letter/sound correctly gives you a bad accent as a whole.... Also start with Moras! Japanese have a dfferent system about recognizing sound.. and you probably are familliar, but didn't know what's it called. It really trips foreigners sometimes. Give it time, if you wanna do this I'd reccomend you these youtubers- lots of content I've found useful or liked. She has a video about pitch and devided it into 4 patterns only↓↓

And I literally did this↑ I singed and felt like a fool, but he was right. I caught an error and made me unable to sing. Words were falling apart if I don't get it right Felt awkward, but I fixed it. Try browse their stuff, maybe you find something, watch a video or two. If it's not working get mad.. drop it, spend your timee larning other stuff hahaha! No, I mean what others said, it's not nessesary. No harm in trying!

セ―ジさん、頑張って！♡

Thats right, in the beginning you don't need to focus too much on pitch accent yet. However I think you could already learn just the very basics of the 4 pitch patterns (atamadaka, nakadaka, odaka, heiban). There are some vidéos about it on YouTube and multiple websites that explains it. And then, when you are learning terms, you can try to pronounce them with the right pitch accent so it will stick into your head (I'm doing this and it works pretty well). But you should be aware that pitch accent in a full sentence differs from the pitch accent of a single word (There are also a few yt videos about it).
On top of this you can do shadowing. You watch a video in japanese and at the same time you repeat what they say without pausing it. But in order to do this properly, your ear has to get used to hearing the pitch accent

And by shadowing you can also improve your intonation, but pitch accent and intonation are two different things.

Anyways you shouldn't worry too much about it yet. I learned about pitch accent pretty late and until then my pronunciation was poop, but it improved a lot since then!

Hmm..what are some great channels ?
Pitch accent is also used in sentences?!..im cooked
I tried shadowing, its a great method too..what if I use earphones?
Thx btw

Keep in mind English is STRESS, while Japanese is PITCH Accent.. Start from there. Check if your old habits are getting in the way. I highly reccomend going through your Hiraganas\Katakanas. Sometimes the inability to pronounce a certain letter/sound correctly gives you a bad accent as a whole.... Also start with Moras! Japanese have a dfferent system about recognizing sound.. and you probably are familliar, but didn't know what's it called. It really trips foreigners sometimes. Give it time, if you wanna do this I'd reccomend you these youtubers- lots of content I've found useful or liked. She has a video about pitch and devided it into 4 patterns only↓↓

And I literally did this↑ I singed and felt like a fool, but he was right. I caught an error and made me unable to sing. Words were falling apart if I don't get it right Felt awkward, but I fixed it. Try browse their stuff, maybe you find something, watch a video or two. If it's not working get mad.. drop it, spend your timee larning other stuff hahaha! No, I mean what others said, it's not nessesary. No harm in trying!

セ―ジさん、頑張って！♡

Thanks for the videos ♡♡, they are so helpful!..what is STRESS ?
Imma look for methods or tricks!
Thx 幸

No, they pick it up naturally!

Like I said, Japanese have "a different system about recognizing sound". Pitch accent is how foreigners have to learn it as, since they are not native and it could be different than what you are used to.

@娜那／なな mentioned that they didn't do it as beginner, but picked it up from listening along the way (up in the discussion). However, I understand what I hear, but that didn't help me with my accent! I couldn't speak naturally using my own voice, I still have problems. Shadowing lead to me to haiving an "uwu" voice instead.

It's not nesessarily a bad thing...↑ I can literally say "Pikachu!" and sound like the real deal ! But I want to be able to talk like a normal person and not act it out.. I feel like my voice doesn't sound feminine at all, when talking in Japanese

The more I am concered...↑ the less I am able to relax and talk correctly. My boyfriend agreed, that I sound like I have a personality disorder, because nerviousness makes my voice change frequently.

I also agree not to worry about it. The best way you can learn it is to speak and listen to a lot of Japanese. A while back I had heard the word 大丈夫 mispronounced with the wrong pitch accent (大丈夫 was NOT 大丈夫 lol), however it is still easily understandable. But I hear the word 大丈夫 so often that of course I know when it sounds weird - over time you will, just like that example, know when something sounds "right" or doesn't sound "right", and when you talk, you will naturally start to accomodate that after hearing yourself not sound right :)

I recommend playing the audio on a lot of sentences on here, and repeating it with the same accent and over time you'll pick it up

@アっくん I swear my uwu voice sounds right to me

Took me a lot of courage to try speaking normally. Thank god I decided to learn instead of play perfect.. I still think my real voice sounds unnatural

NOBODY TEACHES THIS IN TEXTBOOKS:

SORRY TO BARGE IN --

I have nothing to contribute except -- 幸ちゃん I'm sure your real voice sounds just fine and totes かわいい! I empathize with your voice changing when you're nervous tho, mine does that too. I think it’s normal, not a personality disorder haha (at least I hope, in my case…)

Also that video with the mint LOLOLLLL